Whyislam.org Forums http://whyislam.org/forum This is an XML content feed of; Whyislam.org Forums : Last 10 Posts Copyright (c) 2006 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:40:20 +0000 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:30:20 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 8.03 30 whyislam.org/forum/RSS_topic_feed.asp Whyislam.org Forums http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.gif http://whyislam.org/forum Questions and Discussions about Islam : Why is Makkah mentioned as Bekka in the Qur'an? http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23832&PID=509442#509442 Author: Al-Cordoby
Subject: Why is Makkah mentioned as Bekka in the Qur'an?
Posted: 08 September 2008 at 1:30pm

Allah (SWT) in the Qur'an says:

(Most surely the first house appointed for men is the one at Bekka, blessed and a guidance for the nations). (3:96)
 
Why Bekka not Makkah?
 
 
]]> Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:30:20 +0000 http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23832&PID=509442#509442 InterReligious Dialogue : Is Baca in Psalm 84; 4-6 Makkah? http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23831&PID=509441#509441 Author: Al-Cordoby
Subject: Is Baca in Psalm 84; 4-6 Makkah?
Posted: 08 September 2008 at 1:21pm

A question to our Jewish & Christian posters:
 
According to King James Version, Psalm 84 goes:

Blessed are they that dwell in thy house: they will be still praising thee. Selah. Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them. Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools. (4-6)

And according to the New International Version, the verses mean: “Pilgrims” who “dwell in Your house”, “passing through the Valley of Baca,” and the “well” are all clear indications of Muslim pilgrims who visit God’s house in “Baca”/Makkah and drink from Zamzam “well”.
 
http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1123996016642&pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE
 
Is Baca Makkah?
 
 
]]> Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:21:41 +0000 http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23831&PID=509441#509441 Learn about Islam : Hadith of the Day http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22299&PID=509440#509440 Author: Al-Cordoby
Subject: Hadith of the Day
Posted: 08 September 2008 at 1:14pm

The Prophet, peace be upon him, said:

"There is a gate in Paradise called Ar-Raiyan, and those who observe fasts will enter through it on the Day of Resurrection and none except them will enter through it.

It will be said, 'Where are those who used to observe fasts?'

They will get up, and none except them will enter through it. After their entry the gate will be closed and nobody will enter through it."

(Hadith in Al-Bukhari)

]]> Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:14:08 +0000 http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22299&PID=509440#509440 Ramadan Topics : How was your Fast Today? http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23764&PID=509439#509439 Author: Al-Cordoby
Subject: How was your Fast Today?
Posted: 08 September 2008 at 1:06pm

Originally posted by jana.z

Al C, sorry to hear about the headache! and so bad too...whats the cause? fasting or something else brother?
 
Looks like a number of factors, including fasting and irregular sleep
 
Today is much better Al-Hamdulel-Allah
 
How is your fast today?
 
]]> Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:06:22 +0000 http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23764&PID=509439#509439 InterReligious Dialogue : A CHALLENGE TO THE MASSES http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23763&PID=509438#509438 Author: aladdin
Subject: A CHALLENGE TO THE MASSES
Posted: 08 September 2008 at 1:00pm

Originally posted by Janet Waters

Creating a shrine to "honor" the deased---- divides one's loyalties.  People who have lost loved ones are not to create shrines to remember them by.  They can carry memories of their loved ones with them in their hearts.....but they are not to pray to them in the shrine that they have erected up to them.


Osama bin Ladin will be real proud of you!
]]> Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:00:17 +0000 http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23763&PID=509438#509438 Current Events : September issue of IsocNews http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23830&PID=509437#509437 Author: IsocNews.com
Subject: September issue of IsocNews
Posted: 08 September 2008 at 12:55pm

Assalamualykum,

Ramadhan Mubarak, inshaAllah it's going well.

The September issue of the isocnews magazine is out now. please have a read and let us know what you think at www.isocnews.com

 

JazakAllah
]]> Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:55:34 +0000 http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23830&PID=509437#509437 InterReligious Dialogue : A CHALLENGE TO THE MASSES http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23763&PID=509436#509436 Author: Janet Waters
Subject: A CHALLENGE TO THE MASSES
Posted: 08 September 2008 at 12:53pm

Originally posted by Janet Waters

They are in the attitude of praising God....giving glory to God....not for men to praise or give glory to.  They are representational of what the angels do and will do....of that which is to come.  They are depictions of that which is seen in vision heralding in the Millennial reign of Christ the King.

 
Originally posted by Damo808

And in what way does this differ to Catholisicm ?? We don't give glory to statues any more than they do.. as i said i'm a Catholic i should know.


As you remember, while Moses was up upon Mt. Sinai receiving the 10 Commandments, Israel was bowing down and worshiping the golden calf (which represented Jehovah) and because of this great wickedness Mosesbroke the tablets of stone in anger and Israel received a lesser lawwith performances and ordinances that they could follow.  Even though there was a correct meaning behind the statue (it represented Jehovah).....it didn't matter.  Idol worship is idol worship and it is forbidden.

Originally posted by Janet Waters

They are not on alters or lifted on pedestals.  It is the same as paintings that are used to adorn a house.  But the Master of the House is the center and all things are to give him enjoyment and to praise HIM (instead of man giving praise to the pictures). 

 
Originally posted by Damo808

  Then you obviously know nothing about the absolute prominence the Ark - the Holy of Hollies was given in the Temple. And as with any Catholic Mass, the Almighty is at the centre , no object . Again i'm a Catholic i should know.. Haven't we covered this ground already,or is it just not sinking in ? And anyway, how can a graven image praise anything ?? which is what you've said above?


Big difference here.  Such carvings are in the attitude of praising God by how they are depicted.....thus they are not the center of adoration.  Those who are temple workers are blessed to be allowed into God's presence.  (Which thing they have to qualify themselves through both righteousness and by receiving of covenants--they aren't the common masses).

Originally posted by Janet Waters

Many have seen them in person....especially in temples....the focus is not to be on them....but the focus is to be one who they are praising (God).  Much different than people who don't know any better than look to them and pray to them (idol worship).  All our prayers should be directed to God the Father in the name of the Son. 

 
 
Originally posted by Damo808

Prove Catholics pray TO actual statues, show me the catechism which states one must do that, or acknowledge your a liar or simply ignorant. If youve actually seen the order of the Catholic Mass, you will see that we do pray to the Father through Christ.


Prove that the Israelites weren't praying/worshiping the golden calf.  It doesn't matter what is the mind of the worshiper.....to bow down to any image is forbidden (whether it was/is Jehovah/Christ's image or not).
 
Originally posted by Janet Waters

There are higher laws attributed to Temples and additional blessings that are given (that only a selected few can live and thus they have more structured conduct) than for cathedrals where just everybody gathers.  This is the difference between telestial (mortality) and terrestrial (paradise) where God dwells and can be seen walking through his house.  In order to be admitted into His presence a person has to be living higher standards to begin with.  These standards have to given by covenant.
 
Originally posted by Damo808

Which really means nothin in relation.


Maybe to someone who has a lack of understanding it would be.



]]> Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:53:31 +0000 http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23763&PID=509436#509436 InterReligious Dialogue : A CHALLENGE TO THE MASSES http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23763&PID=509435#509435 Author: Damo808
Subject: A CHALLENGE TO THE MASSES
Posted: 08 September 2008 at 12:39pm

Originally posted by Janet Waters

Originally posted by Damo808

There is no greater sentiment here than that felt by someone who looks lovingly at a photograph of a lost love one. They don't acknowlege the image as the essence of the person depicted and there is nothing wrong with honouring the saints.


Creating a shrine to "honor" the deased---- divides one's loyalties.  People who have lost loved ones are not to create shrines to remember them by.  They can carry memories of their loved ones with them in their hearts.....but they are not to pray to them in the shrine that they have erected up to them.

 
 One's loyalties are divided only if in their heart they are worshipping whats before them believing it to be embued with anything more than what a photograph contains. How can you tell from a distance where one's heart is to know loyalties. Loyalties are no more at risk today than they were in the time of the Ark , the Temple and all its imagery. It comes down to how you want to view scripture.. If you want to take it litteraly then the Ark's construction the Temple, Moses bronze snake and all their finery come under the same judgement. You can't have it both ways. Images such as the golden calf which was actually worshipped by the Hebews who dis-obeyed Moses... Now that was idolatry.


Edited by Damo808 - Today at 12:39pm]]> Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:39:00 +0000 http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23763&PID=509435#509435 InterReligious Dialogue : A CHALLENGE TO THE MASSES http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23763&PID=509434#509434 Author: Janet Waters
Subject: A CHALLENGE TO THE MASSES
Posted: 08 September 2008 at 12:06pm

Originally posted by Damo808

There is no greater sentiment here than that felt by someone who looks lovingly at a photograph of a lost love one. They don't acknowlege the image as the essence of the person depicted and there is nothing wrong with honouring the saints.


Creating a shrine to "honor" the deased---- divides one's loyalties.  People who have lost loved ones are not to create shrines to remember them by.  They can carry memories of their loved ones with them in their hearts.....but they are not to pray to them in the shrine that they have erected up to them.





 
]]> Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:06:56 +0000 http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23763&PID=509434#509434 General Discussion : Undercover Mosque: The Return http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23791&PID=509433#509433 Author: saira3
Subject: Undercover Mosque: The Return
Posted: 08 September 2008 at 11:55am

jim

You completely missed the point as usual jim!!
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