Whyislam.org Forums http://whyislam.org/forum This is an XML content feed of; Whyislam.org Forums : Last 10 Posts Copyright (c) 2006 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Wed, 14 May 2008 02:43:31 +0000 Wed, 14 May 2008 02:13:45 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 8.03 30 whyislam.org/forum/RSS_topic_feed.asp Whyislam.org Forums http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.gif http://whyislam.org/forum Questions and Discussions about Islam : Surah al Baqarah ayaah 194 http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22742&PID=494128#494128 Author: MedGirl
Subject: Surah al Baqarah ayaah 194
Posted: 14 May 2008 at 2:13am

This ayah has to do with conditions of aggression on the battlefield. How the believer should act with justice while dealing with the non-believers, and not to go beyond the limits of what Allah commands.

The entire ayah is:

The sacred month is for the sacred month, and for the prohibited things, there is the Law of equality (Qisas). Then whoever transgresses against you, you trangress likewise against him. And fear Allah, and know that Allah is with Al-Muttaqin (the pious). Quran 2:194

Tafsir ibn Kathir:

But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against the wrongdoers.

This indicates that, 'If they stop their Shirk and fighting the believers, then cease warfare against them. Whoever fights them afterwards would be committing an injustice. Verily aggression can only be started against the unjust.' This is the meaning of Mujahid's statement that only combatants should be fought. At-Tabari 3:584

Or the meaning of the Ayah indicates that, 'If they abandon their injustice, which is Shirk in this case, then do not start aggression against them afterwards.' The agression here means retaliating and fighting them, just as Allah said:

Then whoever transgresses against you, you transgress likewise against him. Quran 2:194

this ayah ordains justice even with the polytheists.

Similarly, Allah said:

The recompense for an evil is an evil like thereof. Quran 42:40

and:

And if you punish them, then punish them with the like of that which you were afflicted. Quran 16:126

The last part of the ayah in 2:194:

And fear Allah, and know that Allah is with Al-Muttaqin (the pious). Quran 2:194

commands that Allah be obeyed and feared out of Taqwa. The Ayah informs us that Allah is with those who have Taqwa by His aid and support in this life and the Hereafter.
]]> Wed, 14 May 2008 02:13:45 +0000 http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22742&PID=494128#494128 Current Events : Obama is not an apostate! http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22736&PID=494126#494126 Author: MedGirl
Subject: Obama is not an apostate!
Posted: 14 May 2008 at 1:17am

lol.  I was watching the morning news today and this elderly woman said that she's going to vote for Hillary and not Obama because he's a Muslim. I was like What?! lol! Come on lady...



Edited by MedGirl - Today at 1:17am]]> Wed, 14 May 2008 01:17:08 +0000 http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22736&PID=494126#494126 Current Events : Storming of Illinois 'Mosque' Sends Wrong Message http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22699&PID=494124#494124 Author: UmarZ
Subject: Storming of Illinois 'Mosque' Sends Wrong Message
Posted: 14 May 2008 at 1:07am

OK, obviously there is a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding going on here. Actually there seems to be a lot of right wing talking points getting thrown around so I guess I understand the lack of understanding if that is where the information is coming from.

Wahhabi - what does it mean? Well the word comes from the word Wahhab which means bestower and al Wahhab is one of the 99 names of Allah(swt) so if it means follower of al Wahhab or follower of Allah then basically it means a Muslim. The mistaken use of the term though comes from a person's name, Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab which means Muhammad the son of the slave of Al Wahhab (Allah swt). So the name makes no sense but moving past that what is it? What did Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab teach? Well he was a scholar in a time when Muslims had slipped off the religion a lot and there was a lot of innovation in Islam. He taught that we needed to get back to the basics, Qur'an, Sunnah and the example of the early Muslims. Did he teach anything radical? No. Did he preach hate, violence, war, oppression of women? No. All you have to do is read some of his books and you will see that all he did was reference Qur'an and hadith with very little of his own words.

Saudi Islam - You really shouldn't believe everything that comes from the western media and taking a few incidents does not really give you an idea of what happens there. Sure there are those that are ignorant and do things based on culture and their own feelings but that is not part of Islam. Any time you see something that sounds wrong, most likely it is not based in Islam. Women not being allowed to drive for instance, there is absolutely no basis for this in Islam. Stopping girls from leaving a burning building is pure idiocy. There is nothing in Islam that would support or allow that. It is poor training pure and simple. I had a pen pal for a while when I was first becoming a Muslim who was a Saudi woman. She lived in Jeddah but went to school in Riyadh. She was going to school to be a nurse so not only was she allowed an education she was going to actually work and no one was beating her or throwing her in jail for it. She said that not all women cover their faces and in some cities you find a lot of women that don't even cover all that well and they are not beaten in the streets or put in jail. There is also a Saudi TV channel that broadcasts in English that I have watched many times. Most of the women on their shows dont cover all their hair, they wear tight fitting clothes, makeup, don't cover their whole arms. etc. Yes there are many women that wear black abayas and black veils but mostly they do it by choice. And by the way that is not a burka, a burka is something completely different.

So how can it be reconciled that there are people who call themselves Muslims that do terrible things sometimes even in the name of Islam? Well it wasn't that long ago in this country that a terrorist group that I'm sure you have heard of that lit fires on peoples lawns, burned their houses and churches, even killed people. And they all claimed to be Christian and claimed that the Bible justified their actions. That group of course is the KKK. Do you think I would even suggest that they just represent an extereme form of Chritianity? That moderate Christians just don't get that the Bible really teaches that kind of violence of only the more extreme groups like this follow it fully? Of course not, so why do you assume that people who are ignorant and misguided that do things in the name of Islam have anything to do with what Islam is about, what the Qur'an or the Prophet (saws) taught? The vast majority of Muslims know the truth because we know our religion and what it teaches. But of course WE should read books by non-Muslims that have an axe to grind to get the real truth right? Why don't you read the Qur'an and books written by Muslims about Islam if you want the real truth and not rely on hate filled books written by people who started with a conclusion and then went about "proving" it. Of course its easier because you can find those books at any Barnes and Noble and you might have to look around on the internet to find the books by actual Muslims but its worth the effort.

Regarding the actual topic, would it have affected the training at all to not label it as a mosque? To just call it a hostage training exercise or something? The scenario could be the same and the training just as valuable without having to insult Muslims but identifying it as a mosque.
]]> Wed, 14 May 2008 01:07:06 +0000 http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22699&PID=494124#494124 Learn about Islam : Ayah from The Qur'an http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22288&PID=494119#494119 Author: Al-Cordoby
Subject: Ayah from The Qur'an
Posted: 13 May 2008 at 11:58pm

Whoever comes [at Judgement] with a good deed will have better than it, and they, from the terror of that Day, will be safe

(27:89)

http://www.islambasics.com/view.php?bkID=120&chapter=27

]]> Tue, 13 May 2008 23:58:55 +0000 http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22288&PID=494119#494119 Current Events : and who says we're not a rushed society http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22737&PID=494114#494114 Author: khany
Subject: and who says we're not a rushed society
Posted: 13 May 2008 at 11:28pm

air canada can use the good publicity :)
they have been much maligned lately.


Edited by khany - Yesterday at 11:28pm]]> Tue, 13 May 2008 23:28:24 +0000 http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22737&PID=494114#494114 Learn about Islam : Good Movie about Muhammad! http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22733&PID=494113#494113 Author: khany
Subject: Good Movie about Muhammad!
Posted: 13 May 2008 at 11:24pm

jazakallah khair]]> Tue, 13 May 2008 23:24:39 +0000 http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22733&PID=494113#494113 InterReligious Dialogue : Jesus: Myth or Reality? http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22726&PID=494109#494109 Author: Giovanni
Subject: Jesus: Myth or Reality?
Posted: 13 May 2008 at 11:15pm

Originally posted by yishmael

Originally posted by Giovanni

Originally posted by yishmael

This is all any Christian can ever trot out, and it's a good example of a probable fraud, which was supposedly written by someone who was born after Jesus supposedly died.

We can all prove that the Buddha existed. Same with Muhammad, Alexander the Great, Appolonius of Tyana (upon whom the Jesus myth is largely based, according to various Jesuit scholars),  Plato, Tamurlane, and other actual historical characters. Why? Because hundreds of references were made to all these people by witnesses, many of whom were completely impartial and disinterested.

For someone who supposedly saved the world, nothing happens to be written about him by his contemporaries. Why do you suppose that is?



  A la contraire, who happen to be the writers of the New Testament, though that is another topic that's been kicked around this forum more than once.
  And why would you try to prove your point with lukewarm words such as probable and supposedly, I thought you were 100% sure on your assumption of Jesus the myth.
  And if Jesus was a myth, why did so many of His mythological followers and many in the early Christian church choose martyrdom.  What were they dying for.


They were dying for something about as real as the space ship these guys martyred themselves for...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven's_Gate_(cult)


  I didn't know you can kill yourself and call it martyrdom.  But how is Heaven's Gate cult doing these days, the fastest growing religion in the world?
]]> Tue, 13 May 2008 23:15:48 +0000 http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22726&PID=494109#494109 Questions and Discussions about Islam : Surah al Baqarah ayaah 194 http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22742&PID=494108#494108 Author: Jessica_Rabbit
Subject: Surah al Baqarah ayaah 194
Posted: 13 May 2008 at 11:00pm

Asalamu Alaykum WB,

How is everyone doing? Insha Allah, great. Anyways, I have a question to ask,..........so here it goes...........

What is meant when Allaah (swt) says "whoever transgresses the prohibition against you, you transgress likewise against him..."?


If possible could you please provide fatwas and references?


Thank you

Jessica
]]> Tue, 13 May 2008 23:00:09 +0000 http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22742&PID=494108#494108 Learn about Islam : Good Movie about Muhammad! http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22733&PID=494107#494107 Author: Al-Cordoby
Subject: Good Movie about Muhammad!
Posted: 13 May 2008 at 10:56pm

Watching Part 1
 
Excellent film so far
 
Thanks for posting Truth
 
 
 
]]> Tue, 13 May 2008 22:56:39 +0000 http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22733&PID=494107#494107 InterReligious Dialogue : Jesus: Myth or Reality? http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22726&PID=494106#494106 Author: yishmael
Subject: Jesus: Myth or Reality?
Posted: 13 May 2008 at 10:53pm

Originally posted by Giovanni

Originally posted by yishmael

This is all any Christian can ever trot out, and it's a good example of a probable fraud, which was supposedly written by someone who was born after Jesus supposedly died.

We can all prove that the Buddha existed. Same with Muhammad, Alexander the Great, Appolonius of Tyana (upon whom the Jesus myth is largely based, according to various Jesuit scholars),  Plato, Tamurlane, and other actual historical characters. Why? Because hundreds of references were made to all these people by witnesses, many of whom were completely impartial and disinterested.

For someone who supposedly saved the world, nothing happens to be written about him by his contemporaries. Why do you suppose that is?



  A la contraire, who happen to be the writers of the New Testament, though that is another topic that's been kicked around this forum more than once.
  And why would you try to prove your point with lukewarm words such as probable and supposedly, I thought you were 100% sure on your assumption of Jesus the myth.
  And if Jesus was a myth, why did so many of His mythological followers and many in the early Christian church choose martyrdom.  What were they dying for.


They were dying for something about as real as the space ship these guys martyred themselves for...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven's_Gate_(cult)
]]> Tue, 13 May 2008 22:53:29 +0000 http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22726&PID=494106#494106